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Jim 68cuda
08-17-2013, 11:09 PM
I've been noticing readings on the temp gauge on my 383 4bbl 67 Coronet that I just can't figure out.
Every Saturday afternoon, I drive 40 minutes to the local cruise in at Manassas, Virginia. Most of the driving is on highways at speeds of 55mph to 65mph with a few traffic lights at either end of the journey. On the drive to the cruise in every time, the needle remains comfortably in the center of the gauge for the entire drive, with the needle rising only slightly when sitting at traffic lights and then returning to the center once moving again.
But, on the drive home in the evening, 4 or 5 hours later, the needle on the temperature gauge remains at a point at about 3/4 of the way up, and when I sit at traffic lights, it gets uncomfortably high. When I get home the overflow hose for the radiator pees a little on the driveway. But that doesn't happen earlier in the day when I arrive at the cruise in. I first noticed this about a month ago, and have been watching it happen again and again each week. I don't get it.

Drag-Net
08-18-2013, 07:48 AM
Stupid Question......... Are you lights on, on the way home? May have a ground problem with the dash cluster.

Jim 68cuda
08-18-2013, 09:52 AM
Lately, yes, the lights have been on for the return trip. But they weren't on the first time I noticed the issue. Also, I have watched the gas gauge and have not noticed any unusual change in the gas gauge during these trips.
But, come to think of it, on my return trip from Carlisle, a two hour drive with the lights off, I noticed that at times the temp gauge went from half way up to 3/4 of the way up and stayed there for a while, then returned to center. At the time, I attributed it to a much warmer day then the drive to Carlisle 4 days earlier.

honcho
08-18-2013, 02:09 PM
I was having same problem with my 440. I went 3 inch exhaust and external fan on radiator and problem solved

thebankerstoy
08-21-2013, 05:08 PM
Hello Jim,

The engine, transmission and cooling system related parts have no built up heat in them when you start out to your cruise nights, but after the drive to the event, you now have large cast iron parts with internal heat built up in them and on the drive home your cooling system is not handling the heat exchange properly, so the temp gauge will reflect that. Below are a few things that I'd look into first.

(1) Are you running a 180 / 185 degree thermostat and the correct mixture of anti-freeze and water recommended for the weather temperature range in your area? I can tell you from personal experience, that running a 160 degree thermostat on a street driven car does not help to cool down a warm running engine and that running a coolant mixture with too much anti-freeze, or to much water will affect engine operating temps as well, especially in the hot temperatures like we have here in Phoenix AZ in the summer months.

(2) Another thing to check that I've had happen to me in the past when I was still using factory style rubber radiator hoses, is to make sure that your upper and lower radiator hoses (usually the lower hose) aren't needing to be changed due to age and heat cycles, which will allow them to weaken and pinch partially shut and restrict coolant flow when your cooling system is under pressure and up to normal operating temperatures. I switched over to running the seamless copper "Cool-Flex" radiator hoses on my 66 Coronet 500's 440 and my sons 72 Dart Swinger's 318 and have eliminated all of those troublesome rubber radiator hose issues on both cars. They don't look factory stock and they are more expensive than rubber hoses, but you purchase one set of them for each car and they will be the last radiator hoses that you will ever need to purchase for that car. The ones on my Coronet have been in place since 1991 and still look and perform just like they did when they were installed and the ones on the Dart have been in place since 2005 with the same excellent results. Have a 100 point show car? Use factory style rubber hoses, but for anything else you want to actually drive, check into the Cool-Flex hoses. I use the chrome plated versions, but these also come in Black, Red, Blue and Purple as shown in the following pictures.

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The end cap covers come in different finishes and colors also and as you can see in this picture below, this seamless copper hose is extremely flexible and will stay in whatever shape you need for your application.

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(3) If your Coronet has an automatic transmission, is to make sure that the transmission fluid level is topped off to recommended levels. This is important for many obvious reasons, but many forget that on a factory set-up, the transmission fluid is cooled by running it through the lower radiator tank, so if the fluid level is low in the transmission, it can build up extra heat in the transmission which will be transferred to the radiator, which will be transferred to the radiator coolant, which will then be transferred to the engine and so on and so on. On my sons Dart, I've installed a properly sized aftermarket "bullet" style transmission cooler up front in the opening of the lower valance pan and just behind and under the front bumper. This location gives the cooler an unrestricted source for fresh air to flow over the coolers aluminum fins whenever the car is moving and also provides a nice air gap on all sides of the cooler to dissipate heat even when the car is sitting in traffic. Along with this new cooler, I also removed the original factory transmission fluid lines and replaced them with custom made new steel lines that direct the transmission fluid completely out of the lower radiator tank and directly to the new cooler, so all of that previous heat from the transmission fluid is no longer an added cooling burden on the radiator to handle and it also helps to reduce transmission fluid heat build up. This set-up fits like a glove in this location and almost looks like a factory option and has worked out so well on the Dart, that I will be doing a similar system on my Coronet in the future.

Here's a couple of pictures showing the transmission cooler right after it was installed during the cars restoration back in 2005 / 2006 and a shot of the front of the car showing the coolers location with the lower front valance pan and front bumper in place.

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(4) One last thing that I'd check, is your engine timing, as if that's off, that will affect engine operating temperatures as well.

You have some fantastic cars there Jim, so I hope you figure out your Coronets cooling issue soon and not have to worry about it any more.



Richard

Jim 68cuda
08-31-2013, 10:32 PM
Thanks for your suggestions, Richard. I didn't see your post earlier, so I'm just responding now. After driving the vert a short distance last night, and again seeing the temp gauge read uncomfortably warm levels, I think theres one more thing I want to check. I noticed last night that although the heat-riser on the passenger side exhaust manifold moves freely, it was in the same position when the engine was cold and not running, as it was when the engine was running and hot. But, exhaust seems to be flowing out of both pipes.

67440Dodge
09-01-2013, 12:41 AM
Might want to get yourself one of those infrared thermometers and next time it's running warmer than you'd like, aim the red dot right on the sensor on the water pump housing. I like to aim right where the sensor enters the housing. Then you'll know exactly what temp the motor is running at and you'll know for sure whether it's a gauge/electrical issue or something else.

You can also use the thermometer to check the temp of the exhaust pipe past the heat riser. Compare it to the driver side, and if it's close or the same, Then you know the heat riser is not blocking flow..